Listening to the Whispers!

[truthfairy]

Hi Spritual Thinkers,
Believe it or not I only found out yesterday about what happened to Peny and Michaell from C/S. I have been listening to Lazaris tapes since 1994 but as in UK not been involved in the Lazaris Show - Live events. Nor have I spent any time searching on the Internet for info on them. I was never affected by the razzamatazz of the live side of it!

So the death of these people passed me by - until yesterday!

I havn't really been using the tapes that much in recent years for various reasons.

But this afternoon I just put on one of the Mind Meld Higher self tape and i looked out of the Window and a van was passing with the word "Silva" on it! Now that seemed significant as I had been reading about the past history of Jach Pursell and apparently before channeling Lazaris he studied the "Silva" method.

Regards,

The Truthfairy!

[Pete]

Hi Truthfairy,

It's really strange thinking back to that time, I haven't had anything to do with Lazaris for years. I'm not even sure what they are doing now. Are they still producing new recordings, or are they pretty much letting things drift? I see that under 'Latest Titles' they've got some material from 2001 (as well as a couple of more recent releases). That suggests that things aren't moving forward very fast I suppose.

But this afternoon I just put on one of the Mind Meld Higher self tape and i looked out of the Window and a van was passing with the word "Silva" on it!

If it is true that we create all of our reality, shouldn't it be a bit more obvious than that? Occasionally I've had lucid dreams, and in those it's very clear that I am creating my reality. In waking life it doesn't seem like that at all. Yes there are coincidences like the van going past you, but it's hard to feel confident that they are not just the result of chance.

Increasingly I think we must find meaning in the things we can see, rather than in religion. There are plenty of meaningful experiences in life, without the need for metaphysics. If we depend on metaphysics for our meaning, though, we run a risk: we could be wrong about the nature of the metaphysical dimension. In that case we would be attaching meaning to something which is untrue, and that seems like a bit of a waste of time.

[truthfairy]

Hi Pete,
I don't keep tracks of what they are doing but I looked at the site today; Lazaris is still knocking out tapes and still have some old stuff on there as well. I don't really work with any tapes these days.

Perhaps to say "You create your own reality!" can be dangerous to someone who isn't having a good life. Then again which "You" creates the reality? When you do a Lazaris meditaion and he says, "and your higher self gives you this!" and so on - how often did you see it? I have seen lights and faces often, heard voices but it's not always on queue to the meditation - though I havn't done one for a while. I have had dreams which have made me feel good on waking and others the opposite so what you dream about does effect mood i think, do you reckon?

I've had incidents with the van going past many times and I think it is a sign that what is in consciousness is reflected in the reality around you to some degree.

Truthfairy.

[Geoff]

Hi Truthfairy and Pete

I recently ‘came across’ our stash of Lazaris tape material, that I hadn’t worked with for nearly ten years. It prompted me to see if Lazaris was still producing material, hence finding this Forum, and others. I found lots of interesting news, some horror stories on Concept Synergy, and various views on Lazaris and the value of the material. Some people questioning where it comes from, and can we ‘trust’ it. As someone who still believes in the value of the material, I thought I’d put in my two penn’orth.

As I can’t believe that this wisdom comes from a somnambulist Jach Pursell, I take it at face value, that it comes from some entity [“entities”] outside of the Jach Pursell – but that really doesn’t matter. There is so much wonderfully insightful psychology and psychotherapy in the material, that in many ways it doesn’t matter what the source is. I’ll mention a few of my favourites.

The first tape I ever heard (I think it was borrowed, as I can’t find it) was The Incredible Force of Forgiveness. It contained some profoundly important observations for the psychological well-being of the individual – to simplify, a lack of forgiveness keeps you in chains and, potentially, bitter – do you want to stay re-living the past, or move on to a better part of your life?

The tape on Self Esteem is excellent, the single most important point being (from my recollection) that self esteem springs from the determination to be powerful; not actually being powerful, but the determination to be powerful. In the worst down-time in my life (when I was trying out anything I could find that would help), and on many occasions since, I’ve found that this is true. And the obverse is true - when you feel powerless, or allow yourself to feel powerless, your self esteem takes a nosedive. And the tape includes the lovely Lazaris nugget – “Life…is about growing”. To my way of thinking, much of the real spiritual wisdom in the world, from whatever source (and there are many sources) is in agreement with this - but what a neat encapsulation.

‘On Releasing Self Pity’ is a really astute and punchy tape that any psychotherapist would be well advised to give to a client seeking help. In ‘The Keys of Happiness’ Lazaris has such a wonderful quiet natural authority. There is real wisdom here - recommended.

OK, so we can discuss whether ‘You create your own reality – period’ is as black and white as Lazaris insisted. In fact, I’ve read some bits of the material from the other channelled entities and there seems a clear consensus on it. (Abraham, Seth and God in Conversions with God, for example). I’m fully with someone in the forum who said – you don’t say that to someone who is ill, as in fact a new-age acquaintance of ours did to her father who had cancer. And some of the Lazaris material seems occasionally to get over-complicated – building and busting the ego, and criteria for when to trust, for example, but maybe that’s because I didn’t explore them thoroughly enough.

What I think I’m getting at is - because power has corrupted those around the entity called Lazaris, and because listening to Lazaris now seems like something ‘we did back then’, doesn’t lessen the value of the material. In fact, selective bits of the Lazaris book are something I’ve returned to several times over the years, even if the tapes have gone mostly unplayed for a while, until recently, when I’m coming back to some of them. The book (and I particularly like passages in the central portion of the book) is an excellent summary of Lazaris’s cosmology, as of course you would expect.

Anyway, I’d like to close with and pass on a simple prayer for the new decade, which I heard and which I like.

A Prayer for Peace

May peace be our goal.
May love be our guide.
May forgiveness be a way of life.

All the best,

Geoff,
Exeter, England.

[Pete]

Hi Geoff,

Do you think that deciding to forgive is possible? I can forgive in the sense that I won't take any active steps to punish someone, but that doesn't alter how I feel about what they did. Instead of needing to make a decision to forgive, I find that the sense of being wronged fades with time. If I want to avoid dwelling on the incident in the meantime, I find that it's best to distract myself by thinking and doing something else. Wondering whether to forgive the person is actually the worst thing to do, because it necessarily involves dwelling on something I'm trying to forget.

With self-esteem, I think the important thing is that you perceive yourself as powerful. It's odd how we (humans) are incapable of perceiving ourselves accurately. The most intelligent people can convince themselves that they are useless, and get depressed. Meanwhile, people who lack intelligence and power can get meaning from things that don't need either.

Pete